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Guest post: The State of Online Poetry

I was going to introduce Gabriel as my favorite online poet, but then I realized Gabriel is the only poet whose work I read online. If you haven’t read his work, you should — his poetry is fresh, effortlessly graceful, and highly evocative… plus, it has zombies! Today Gabriel provides valuable insight into online publishing for poetry.

If I had to pick a single website that undermined and damaged the state of poetry on the web, it’d have to be Poetry.com. Poetry.com was the website of an organization known as the International Library of Poetry, aka the International Library of Poets, aka the International Poetry Hall of Fame, a Maryland-based company that ran so-called poetry contests. (The domain name has since been bought by Lulu.com, who has, supposedly, tried to steer the site away from its nefarious origins.)

Because they were able to claim one of the absolute best domain name for a poetry website, Poetry.com had phenomenal reach. If you were at all interested in writing poetry, you probably looked at the site at least once. The site offered you the chance to submit your poetry for the chance to see it published, and what’s more, you could be entered in a poetry contest to win thousands of dollars.

If your poem was selected, you got a fancy letter in the mail telling you how your poem was chosen out of all the other thousands of submissions to appear in the International Book of Poetry’s latest anthology, which you could purchase from them for $59.99 plus shipping and handling.

Did you catch that? The International Library of Poetry took your poem, printed it in a book, and then asked you to pay them to receive a copy of it. If you know anything about publishing, you know that authors, even if they aren’t being paid for their work, are almost always able to receive free copies of the work their content appears in. Worse, you paid for the biggest waste of paper ever made: 8-16 poems crammed onto every page, with no author bio (you could buy a bio spot in the back of the book, but it’d cost you an extra $25), written in a tiny Times New Roman-esque font.

Poetry.com banked on the fact that aspiring writers, desperate for validation, would pay good money to see their work in print and have something to take home to Momma. But hey, your poem was chosen out of thousands of submissions, right? That must mean it was good, right? Err… not so much.

You see, here’s the sinister thing: every poem, no matter how atrociously bad, was accepted. It didn’t matter if you misspelled words, threw grammar out the window, or wrote in chatspeak: every one of the thousands of submissions was… err… chosen out of all the other thousands of submissions for publication. In fact, once people started catching on, some writers even started submitting the worst crap they could come up, even poems that blatantly criticized the ILP, just to see if they could actually get a rejection. To my knowledge, every poem was still accepted. You can read more about the site and their methods of business here.

Makes sense, if you think about it. Your company sells overpriced anthology books to poets desperate for praise. Every writer you put in print is another potential customer, so you print everybody, no matter their quality, and you make a ton of money.

Unfortunately, it worked. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of aspiring writers — many of them with little to no skill at actually writing poetry — bought into it, and I think it gave a lot of them overinflated egos. I can’t count the times I’ve had the following conversation:

Person I’ve Just Met: So what do you do?
Me: Well, I’m a poet.
PIJM: Me too. You know, I’m published.
Me: You submitted a poem to Poetry.com, got accepted, and they printed your book in their latest anthology, right?
PIJM: Yeah, pretty cool, huh? They inducted me into the Poetry Hall of Fame, too.
Me: Imagine that.

How does this play into the larger scheme of web poetry? When blogging became a craze, oodles of poetry blogs popped up, chock full of works written by amateur poets. People had been publishing poetry on the web long before blogs, of course, but blogs made it easy for anyone to do it with little to no knowledge of web design, and they provided user feedback through comments right out of the box.

I’ll admit that I had one of these blogs myself. I was still a teenager at the time, and I ran a blog called Clockwork Decadence, with a sickly green-text-on-black color scheme and enough bad emo poetry to fill three black (and they had to be black, duh) notebooks. It was the first time I’d put my poetry online, and the first time I’d ever received feedback from readers. Now, the spectrum of user comments on poetry blogs typically swings overwhelming towards the positive, but every once in a while, I’d get a scathing comment from a reader who sounded like they knew what they were talking about. They’d comment on the angsty, meaningless topics I’d chosen to write about, the poor word choices, the misguided rhythms, the crippling rhymes, and a whole lot more.

In my opinion, scathing (but constructive) criticism and repeated rejection are key to pushing out of the pupa phase of bad highschool poetry. If you’re serious about poetry, you eventually get sick of people telling you that your poetry sucks, and you make it not suck so much.

Unfortunately, I think the absurd amount of flattery showered on poets by the ILP made a lot of them impervious to criticism. You see, it’s hard to tell someone their poetry is a horrendous steaming pile of crap when they proudly boast that they’ve “been inducted into the International Poetry Hall of Fame”. They have a tendency to not believe you.

There’s one fellow I’ve been following for about six years — I won’t link him, since I don’t think he deserves the attention — that has that mentality. In six years of publishing poetry on his blog, receiving dozens of good constructive critiques on his work from talented people who know what they’re talking about, he hasn’t improved or evolved in the slightest. His work from six years ago sounds exactly like the stuff he’s writing today. He’s still proud of his “achievements” with the ILP.

That’s not to say that every poet published by Poetry.com was a bad poet. In fact, one could argue that the International Library of Poetry provided the impetus that helped a lot of talented, if unpolished, poets get serious about their work, especially the ones that decided to do their homework and figure out how the publishing industry really works. If you can get your hands on an old copy of one of their books, you can actually find a number of gems, if you’re willing to thumb through the roughly 1000+ poems published in every book.

There will always be companies like ILP that prey on aspiring writers, but hopefully there won’t be another one that will have the reach and impact that Poetry.com had; today’s Internet allows for much faster spread of information, exposing unscrupulous publishing tactics for what they are before people get suckered in.

The good news is that things are getting better for online poetry. More and more serious poetry journals, even ones that have been in print for decades, are offering digital versions or even going online-only. Because of that, I think poets have an advantage over fiction writers, in that there’s not quite as much of a stigma against web publishing for us. In fact, one could even argue that poetry is the first form of creative writing where it’s actually expected and encouraged that a writer’s early works will appear on the Web before they ever get picked up for a dead-tree book deal.

Poetry lends itself well to the Internet, in that it consists of bite-size, standalone content that’s easily shared through social media sites like Facebook and StumbleUpon. It can easily be converted into non-text formats like audio and video, and it doesn’t require the time commitment of a long novel.

Poetry has long been looking for something to help it get back on its feet. It’s my opinion that the Internet is that something.

Gabriel Gadfly is the author of How To Greet Death and over 100 other poems. His work will appear in the literary journal Four and Twenty later this month, and most of his poetry can be found at his website.
  • Ysabet

    I think that much of the really apt online poetry is appearing in places that aren't readily recognized. The shape of the publishing world is changing, but the publishers and the awards aren't keeping up with that very well — and that makes it hard for the audience to keep up. But some people do find the good stuff. Some people realize that bitchy criticism isn't helpful; it's thoughtful feedback that makes for improvement. Some people discover that what was taught in English classes is mostly bunk, and a lot of so-called great poetry is dreck, and they dig into the past when great poetry WAS common to figure out how to write like that. So if you hunt around, and network with other folks who enjoy poetry as a literary medium, it's there and you'll find it. Some of it's in crowdfunding, some is in webzines, and a lot is tucked into individual poets' blogs.

  • http://ergofiction.com Jan Oda

    Really great post Gabriel!
    I had no clue about the Poetry.com affaire, and found it very interesting to learn something about!

  • http://letitiacoynefiction.blogspot.com/ Letitia Coyne

    What standard have you found the contributions on Scantily Clad Press, Beard of Bees, Artistically Declined Press, Blue Hour Press, Gold Wake Press, Moria Poetry, Origami Condom etc. to be?

    Reading in the last few days I had thought there was some great work on these sites. I found another dead site which once did the same thing as poetry.com, but all the other presses and zines seem to be running hot.
    L.

  • http://gabrielgadfly.com Gabriel Gadfly

    Thankfully, I think a lot of sites that used models similar to poetry.com are dying out — they were popular seven or eight years ago, when it was harder for writers to share their experiences, but I think today's Internet, with blogs, Twitter, Facebook, and other ways to quickly spread information, is able to expose these scams for what they are.

    Most of the venues you mentioned fall into the literary journal and/or anthology markets, and from what I've seen, most have some degree of editorial process that goes into choosing poets for publication. Beard of Bees publishes plenty of poets that I don't particularly care for, but that's more a matter of personal taste than the poets' lack of skill. Moria Poetry has a lot of good poets, but I often find that they tend to publish works that aren't quite as accessible to the mainstream — their current issue features a poem by Michael Brandonisio that is presented as black text scrawled over a silhouette of black bare trees, making it practically unreadable.

    I haven't Origami Condom before, but after a quick glance through their current issue, I think they're going to be a favorite.

  • http://letitiacoynefiction.blogspot.com/ Letitia Coyne

    Thanks Gabriel. I found these following links from Phillistine Press. We all really need a good central database for these writing sites. I am constantly amazed at work out there which I had no idea existed.

    That whole underground indie beat sort of feeling seems to have stayed with the poetry community. A fair bit of video and audio and live performance. Its just a matter of tapping into the flow.

    L.

  • elijames

    May I just say here that I find Origami Condom to be such a delightful name?!

  • elijames

    Gabriel, thank you for this. I must say that I've never given much thought to the poetry community online, and this is a wonderful look at what's going on in this space. I hope you'll write more about this, in the future?

  • http://gabrielgadfly.com Gabriel Gadfly

    I'm certainly planning on it. Starting this Wednesday, I'll be launching a series of posts to spread awareness about some good poets I've found across the web.

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  • http://aprilraines.myid.net/ April Raines

    Hey Gabriel, have you read 'The Ode Less Travelled' by Stephen Fry? I think you'd enjoy it, though you'd probably know 3/4 of it already. It's a nice clear book on rhythmic poetry styles, language, with, of course, dashes of British witicism (it is Stephen Fry, after all ;) ).

    Also – April is NaPoWriMo. I had fun participating in that this year.

  • JS

    Has anyone read RBPOET on Twitter it looks quite good

  • Quenton Shell

    Yes Jason not that bad at all

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